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Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 08:35:58 AM. »
 I just bought a new 2013 CVO Ultra and would like to wake it up, I am very open minded so what would you recommend?

 Family man here so I'm working off somewhat of a budget and doing things over time. I would like use components that will play well today with a stock motor but remain useful should I want to take additional steps downstream.

 My current game plan would be:

Step 1: pipes, tuner
Step 2: throttle body, cams
and most likely stop here but you never know....sooo
Step 3: heads, etc.

 Thank you for you input and feedback, hoping I can get this right the first time!

PS: Guess I should also add that my goal is simply to maximize the 110's potential with reliability and streetability being top priorities.
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 08:40:02 AM. »
wake it up a little,compression & cams.wake it up more,compression cams & headwork,even more add a bigger t.body.a nice build we`ve done many times is S&S .585 cams,stage II headwork set @ 10.5-1.
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 08:41:10 AM. »
I just bought a new 2013 CVO Ultra and would like to wake it up, I am very open minded so what would you recommend?

 Family man here so I'm working off somewhat of a budget and doing things over time. I would like use components that will play well today with a stock motor but remain useful should I want to take additional steps downstream.

 My current game plan would be:

Step 1: pipes, tuner
Step 2: throttle body, cams
and most likely stop here but you never know....sooo
Step 3: heads, etc.

 Thank you for you input and feedback, hoping I can get this right the first time!



You may want to start here:
http://www.fullsac.com/sleeper-kit-110.html

You won't be buying parts that will become obsolete as you upgrade in the future.
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 10:12:56 AM. »
With a good exhaust and tune , you just might be happy.
95 hp 115 tq is the norm. That's about a 10/10 gain over what you have now.
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 10:59:53 AM. »
I just bought a new 2013 CVO Ultra and would like to wake it up, I am very open minded so what would you recommend?

 Family man here so I'm working off somewhat of a budget and doing things over time. I would like use components that will play well today with a stock motor but remain useful should I want to take additional steps downstream.

 My current game plan would be:

Step 1: pipes, tuner
Step 2: throttle body, cams
and most likely stop here but you never know....sooo
Step 3: heads, etc.

 Thank you for you input and feedback, hoping I can get this right the first time!

PS: Guess I should also add that my goal is simply to maximize the 110's potential with reliability and streetability being top priorities.
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You already have enough cubes, so bringing the engines ability to breathe better will greatly increase the power.
If stepping onto a cylinder head/cam combination, your heads re-worked, along with optimizing the compression needs via re-surfacing, for either a Wood 777, or an S&S .570.
Big broad smooth power curve, with the proper exhaust, tuned correctly.
A larger throttle body will only amplify it even more.
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 12:49:45 PM. »
Would a TTS Tuner and a Bassani B4 be good choices to kick things off?

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 01:42:11 PM. »
Have a look over on the CVO Website, the have a lot of builds that people have done to the 110" some of the support that is on this site is also over at the CVO website. www.cvoharley.com

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 01:52:23 PM. »
You may want to read this thread if you have not already.
http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php/topic,57886.msg614042.html#msg614042

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 05:02:40 PM. »
Would a TTS Tuner and a Bassani B4 be good choices to kick things off?
not bad . but that pipe isnt know for quality.
it works good though.
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 06:00:52 PM. »
Would a TTS Tuner and a Bassani B4 be good choices to kick things off?
not bad . but that pipe isnt know for quality.
it works good though.

I think I could live with a good 2>1 with a ghost pipe, I offered up Bassani because I would like to have something a little different from the herd who uses D&D and V&H. Nothing wrong with those choices just not what I'm interested in at this juncture and I do prefer interchangeable end caps so I can switch things up cosmeticly if I choose.

I ran V&H power duals with Rineharts on my last bike they worked well but I'm due for a change. Ran a V&H Pro Pipe on the Ultra before that.

Any other exhaust recommendations?

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 06:21:18 PM. »
Have a look over on the CVO Website, the have a lot of builds that people have done to the 110" some of the support that is on this site is also over at the CVO website. www.cvoharley.com

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 I have been a member there since 2005 and you are right its a very good reference point however, the intellectual value of the conversation and practical experience of the members here suits my objectives much better. I know some guys here post there as well, but there's also many here who have chosen not to participate there.

 Just keeping all my options open. 
 
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 08:08:14 PM. »

Any other exhaust recommendations?
Dragos Dragula comes to mind.
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Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 08:31:40 PM. »
D&D seems to get things done!



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Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 09:02:16 PM. »
If I'm not mistaken the biggest thing the CVO needs after the usual Stage 1
Air cleaner and exhaust is a proper professional tune.

Sure this exhaust or that exhaust will give a little here it there. But a tune after that right? I know cams are next then heads etc etc but it's a new CVO. Warranty is an issue isn't it? He did say budget and family.

I mean if it isn't, pull the motor and get a 124 S&S and get the fancy heads. One year warranty. Wah-hooooo!!!

But I went my way and I'm just throwing a rubber chicken in the conversation.

I went Supertrapp. I read it was good. It may not be the highest HP pipe out ther, but it is tuneable and I can ride all day and it is nice and tame. Sure it will bark if I honk on her but 3000 Rpm is just heaven.

Air cleaner I went SE Heavy breather. Looks cool and is a K&N. rubs my knee sometimes to let me know it still cares

120R? - it's awesome.

But prior I had a 96 with 26H cams (Andrews). 89 HP and 100 ft-lb. it was pretty awesome even at that. 

You can't go wrong with an air cleaner (I like the S&S dual element one... $$$) and a good exhaust. Lots are saying the Drago is good. Lots of room to grow. After that get a good tune and enjoy that for a season. Really you didn't kill your warranty either. Heads and cams will void your warranty. If that's a consideration. Heck maybe the intake and exhaust I said will void it too. But that's the choice you make.

I'm not tryin to be a dink, just saying .02.

110 magic is there. Just costs money and time.
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 09:17:10 PM. »
IMHO, cams, pipe tune etc all good, it's the ported heads that give the biggest bang for the buck..
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday, December 20, 2012. 10:59:34 PM. »
Fulsac pipe,feuling 574 cams and .030 head gasket. Plus tts mastertune here
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #16 on: Friday, December 21, 2012. 12:33:54 AM. »
Would a TTS Tuner and a Bassani B4 be good choices to kick things off?
not bad . but that pipe isnt know for quality.
it works good though.

I think I could live with a good 2>1 with a ghost pipe, I offered up Bassani because I would like to have something a little different from the herd who uses D&D and V&H. Nothing wrong with those choices just not what I'm interested in at this juncture and I do prefer interchangeable end caps so I can switch things up cosmeticly if I choose.

I ran V&H power duals with Rineharts on my last bike they worked well but I'm due for a change. Ran a V&H Pro Pipe on the Ultra before that.

Any other exhaust recommendations?
its hard to mess a short cam like the 255 up with the exhaust.
so just about any exhaust works decent.
there are a couple that wont work. I did a 574 with boom can mufflers. it ended up about the same as a good tuned 110 does. and the 574 feuling is a great cam for 110's.
 V&H big shot duals are horrible also.
if your looking at 2-1 drago has one to fit about any combo. with a ghost pipe.

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #17 on: Friday, December 21, 2012. 06:32:11 AM. »
Fulsac pipe,feuling 574 cams and .030 head gasket. Plus tts mastertune here

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday, December 22, 2012. 08:07:51 AM. »
The expectation of what does the OP want the numbers to be.   If they are ok with approx 115/105 +/- a couple, then you can do this with tune, cam, pipes and A/C 

 Several examples are out there just depends on the curve you want.
such as:
Yuill Cam yb14, Feuling574, CR575, Woods777, Andrews 54

If the expection is 120/120 then headwork, some compression (Not out the Ozone) in addition to cam,pipe,a/c, tune

If the expectation is greater then 120/120 +/- a little, consider going to 117 with the motor or get a 120r / s&S124.

Over the years  heard Yeah Yeah it can be done, well 6 years later 130/130 in a cvo 110 motor aint a walk in the park/they arent everywhere, they aint done zillions of them unless you got one of those magical dyno's. 

Caveat Emtpor comes to mind.   (Buyer Beware)

Good luck with the build. 

   

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday, December 22, 2012. 07:12:39 PM. »
.030 head gaskets,n57 cams,d&d fatcat, vision tuner,ness super sucker
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday, December 22, 2012. 08:11:30 PM. »
 Pm Roland 421 times a day and get his new bolt in cam from Kuryakn.

 new lifters B's if you can find them,s&S, fueling or anything but jims or factory.

Lose the factory cats with a good fuel moto or full sac head pipe,v&h power duals work well any one of several good mufflers.

  Get a killer double throw down tune and ride it.

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday, December 22, 2012. 08:36:15 PM. »
Mike Rolands new TC24D cam would work well with his perfect storm kit. Then if you need more put a set of his CP slugs and heads on the bike and hang on tight.  :koolaid:

http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php/topic,54212.0.html

http://www.kuryakyn.com/Products/3916/The-Perfect-Storm-Kit-for-Touring
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #22 on: Monday, December 31, 2012. 07:10:09 AM. »
Tman 600 SM cam and A good 2:1 will make that bike wake easy.... Nice low end tq........




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The expectation of what does the OP want the numbers to be.   If they are ok with approx 115/105 +/- a couple, then you can do this with tune, cam, pipes and A/C 

 Several examples are out there just depends on the curve you want.
such as:
Yuill Cam yb14, Feuling574, CR575, Woods777, Andrews 54

If the expection is 120/120 then headwork, some compression (Not out the Ozone) in addition to cam,pipe,a/c, tune

If the expectation is greater then 120/120 +/- a little, consider going to 117 with the motor or get a 120r / s&S124.

Over the years  heard Yeah Yeah it can be done, well 6 years later 130/130 in a cvo 110 motor aint a walk in the park/they arent everywhere, they aint done zillions of them unless you got one of those magical dyno's. 

Caveat Emtpor comes to mind.   (Buyer Beware)

Good luck with the build. 

 
« Last Edit: Monday, December 31, 2012. 07:13:54 AM. by Drago's Bike Works »

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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #23 on: Monday, January 07, 2013. 05:44:20 AM. »
My personal experience with very good results have been,

D & D Pipe 2:1  :up:
Tuner TTS or Power Vision with a Dyno tuner that KNOWS what he's doing.
Cams CR575 or my new one has Woods 222 almost identical results.
As long as we were in there, Woods Lifters.
Adjustable Push Rods.

HP 105 +/- TQ 122 +/-

This is a budget minded plan with good results and excellent reliability/driveability.

Good Luck
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Re: Best way to wake a CVO 110 motor?
« Reply #24 on: Monday, January 07, 2013. 05:56:44 AM. »
I just bought a new 2013 CVO Ultra and would like to wake it up, I am very open minded so what would you recommend?

 Family man here so I'm working off somewhat of a budget and doing things over time. I would like use components that will play well today with a stock motor but remain useful should I want to take additional steps downstream.

 My current game plan would be:

Step 1: pipes, tuner
Step 2: throttle body, cams
and most likely stop here but you never know....sooo
Step 3: heads, etc.

 Thank you for you input and feedback, hoping I can get this right the first time!

PS: Guess I should also add that my goal is simply to maximize the 110's potential with reliability and streetability being top priorities.

Just had a client from Yulee, Fla, alert us Friday, our 107 combination(3 cubes smaller)dynoed 121 hp/124 ft/lbs SAE, with a Wood 888, on what he refered to as a "stingy" dyno.
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