Author Topic: Michelin Commander II  (Read 12493 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline glens

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 3173
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012. 05:16:08 PM. »
I don't doubt the extra stuff means something, but the "Z" is the speed index.

Offline Tsani

  • Site Supporter
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4424
  • Country: us
  • ᏣᎳᎩ ᎤᏕᏅ
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012. 06:02:23 PM. »
Not according to Dunlop:

Spec Chart



Tire Name                           Size               Load/Speed Index    Sidewall  Part Number  Applicable Rims  Recommended Rim 
Sportmax Roadsmart Rear    200/50ZR17   75W                         BW        31RS82        6.00                  6.50                                                               

                                     
 

ᏣᎳᎩ ᎤᏕᏅ
ᎠᏴ ᎠᎩᎸᏗ ᏔᎷᎩᏍᎩ ᎠᏂᏐᏈᎵ

Offline glens

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 3173
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012. 07:06:12 PM. »
Not according to Dunlop:

Spec Chart



Tire Name                           Size               Load/Speed Index    Sidewall  Part Number  Applicable Rims  Recommended Rim 
Sportmax Roadsmart Rear    200/50ZR17   75W                         BW        31RS82        6.00                  6.50                                                               

                                     
 


Sorry, I don't know what to tell you.  The "Z" indicates it's rated for 149+ MPH.  The "75" would be 853 lb. capacity, and the "W" would indicate it's rated for 168 MPH.  Seems silly to include both the "Z" and the "W"...

Got my information from two sources (links only, so they'll likely be worthless in days to come, but tonight they work):

https://www.denniskirk.com/help_center/tire-sizes.jsp
http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-tires/tire-data.htm


Offline Tsani

  • Site Supporter
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4424
  • Country: us
  • ᏣᎳᎩ ᎤᏕᏅ
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday, April 11, 2012. 07:33:43 PM. »
I went right to the horse's mouth, the Manufacturer's spec page. Don't know what to tell ya, but I think I am going with Dunlop on this one.
ᏣᎳᎩ ᎤᏕᏅ
ᎠᏴ ᎠᎩᎸᏗ ᏔᎷᎩᏍᎩ ᎠᏂᏐᏈᎵ

Offline glens

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 3173
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #54 on: Thursday, April 12, 2012. 02:56:32 PM. »
Go with them.  They're saying the tire is rated for 149+ MPH and for 168 MPH, which is redundant, and immaterial since the only place one would see either of those speeds is when generating some made-up horsepower numbers on a dyno.

Offline jayel2k

  • Member
  • Posts: 5
  • Country: us
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday, April 24, 2012. 04:59:23 PM. »
I've been thinking about putting the Commander 2's on my 2011 Superglide Custom.  It came stock with the Michelin Scorchers, but the rear one has only lasted 9000 miles. 

The Michelin csr claims that I'll get thousands of miles more, even here on the Florida roads.  In case you don't know, here in Florida, they put a mix of crushed seashell and coral in with the asphalt, resulting in diminished tire life no matter what you drive.  Motorcycles are more prone to this because, well, they are softer than car or truck tires.

I'm anxious to see how well they handle, as the C2's are supposed to be a harder compound than the scorchers

Hopefully, this thread will continue, and we can all continue to compare notes. 

JL

 :chop:
You are only as old as you feel.  uh, oh...

Offline wolf_59

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 1168
  • Country: us
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday, April 24, 2012. 05:58:05 PM. »
Installed the Commander II's on my 06 Ultra rode 1000 mi round trip to see my folks last weekend, way more impressed with them than I was with the original Commanders on it. Handled great, no tar snake issues (didn't even notice them) even though I intentionally rode on them and across them everyway I could, rain grooves same way no issues. Can't wait to head up to Silverton and the millon dollar highway to see how they handle the curves maybe this weekend.
I still have the original Commanders on my Fatboy 10K on them and never felt any loss of handling with these tires even with the rear tire tread down to .045 depth still no problem to scrape the floorboards in the curves with confidence , Have a new set of Commander II's ready to put on it  :soda:   

Offline Nooter99

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 514
  • Country: us
  • MOTORCITY
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday, April 24, 2012. 06:16:29 PM. »
I'll weigh in. Only got a bout 30 miles on em, but the Commander II's feel way better than the stock Dunlop in every way! If I get 10,000 or more it'll be the only tire I'll buy from now on. They are that much better IMO   :chop:
Better to die a million dollars in debt, than with a million in the bank!

Offline hd06myway

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 1689
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #58 on: Thursday, April 26, 2012. 07:46:26 AM. »
I'm curious (but skeptical) on the 200mm verisons milage... I think they sell that size for the SOFTAILS..? All tires handle pretty well, esp. for Harleys, were not breaking land speed records or slolum times... the main thiing to get me to change is strictly wear MILAGE...if they beat out the 6-7k mi. I'm getting from my Dunlop 200-55-17 rears, I'll buy'em, otherwsie I'll pass... to this day, none of the 200mm wide tires being sold wear for high miles... not Avon, not Metzler, not Pirellis...and I'm betting not these French tires Michelin.   I'm talking 200mm wide now, not the 180's on down... so please, don't respond back if your NOT running 200mm tires, because your milage is irrelevant to those of us who are... thx.!

Offline boooby1744

  • Site Supporter
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1013
  • Country: 00
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #59 on: Thursday, April 26, 2012. 12:50:42 PM. »
I guess since construction,belt types and tread seem similar to the Avon Cobra (which has been on the market a while) michelin may have "borrowed" some technology.....

http://www.avonmoto.com/products/cruiser-touring-custom/cobra

Offline DresserDan

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 220
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #60 on: Thursday, April 26, 2012. 04:19:00 PM. »
Nice to know what all that means.Revs???

Online Rags722

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 4970
  • Country: us
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #61 on: Thursday, April 26, 2012. 07:47:18 PM. »
Revolutions per mile  and Revolutions per kilometer.  Or, how fast the spokes will go past the playing card duct taped to the front fork.   :hyst:

Offline Dink

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 73
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #62 on: Saturday, April 28, 2012. 04:12:27 AM. »
I just installed a set on my 03 ultra. got about 1000 miles on them, and am very impressed. 140 rear plenty of room.
Since they are so new I expected good handling, but they seem to exceed the need, in that respect. My floor boards are taking a real beating. going to half to rotate them soon.  :up:

Offline grumpy

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 65
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #63 on: Saturday, April 28, 2012. 06:01:08 AM. »
hey,
i just got a c2 on the rear for my fxdc, look's great.
putting a new exhaust system on at the moment, so i have not used the new tire yet.
are you guy's running the same psi, with the c2's, that you used in your old tire's?
160/70 17......39 psi.
thank's, grumpy.

Offline rel3rd

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 335
  • Country: us
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #64 on: Saturday, April 28, 2012. 08:26:17 AM. »
grumpy, I think they (Michelin) call for 42 psi front and rear.
2000 FLSTC Pearly White 95"er
R.I.P. MOM 12.16.11 Cancer Sucks!!!

Offline grumpy

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 65
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #65 on: Sunday, April 29, 2012. 08:54:33 PM. »
200 miles on the c2's . rode over every divit, tar snake i could find.
very nice.
i pre scrubed tire's with 60grit sand paper to help with the initial wearing in period when you get new tire's.
grumpy.

Offline harleysteve

  • Member
  • Posts: 16
  • '05 Bagger
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #66 on: Thursday, May 17, 2012. 07:02:08 AM. »
I haven't posted to this forum for some time, but really felt motivated to share my experience with the C2's.  Last fall (November) I had the opportunity to put the C2's on my 05 Ultra for a pre-release evaluation.  My initial experience was positive, but limited due to the Wisconsin winter approaching.  Since then I have logged 4000 miles on them and I can't say enough about how impressed I am with these tires.  I have always ridden Dunlop or Metzler depending on the riding I planned on doing.  Dunlop wore fair and Metzler handled great.  The C2's show very little wear (haven't measured yet) so far and they handle far better than any tire I have ever tried.  I ride fairly aggresively and love getiing into the corners. These tires are very sticky and smooth riding.  If anyone needs tires on their ride, I would encourage you to try a set of these.  I don't think you would be dissapointed.

Offline ViennaHog

  • Site Supporter
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2012
  • Country: at
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday, May 22, 2012. 09:30:53 PM. »
About 1000 miles on a set of Commander II on my personal 2011 FLHTC.

Very little balance weights required which indicates good manufacturing quality. However made in Thailand which ticks me off as there doesn't seem to be one manufacturer that produces tires in the major market countries anymore

Very quiet on all kind of surfaces, no howling like some ME880s.

Does not follow grooves or tar snakes as much as the new Dunlop or ME880s do

Easy tip in and once at a lean angle it holds it

Noticeable slide at max lean angle and under power in lower gears, but very predictable and fun to have a bagger sliding a bit

Front brake in tight turns (yes I know) does not upset the front end, holds lean angle very well

No walking in fast sweepers 100 mph + and dead stable up to 115 mph (top speed of my bike)

Not issues in a few rain showers, but too early to tell if Michelin's focus on tire life affects wet performance.


So far an excellent first experience with one of the rare new designs. Will not go back to Pirellis that decreased dramatically in performance once I was above 50% wear.
Only selected sizes so far like no 18" front for the 2010-FLHX etc.

Regards
« Last Edit: Wednesday, May 23, 2012. 03:02:02 AM. by ViennaHog »

Offline Nooter99

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 514
  • Country: us
  • MOTORCITY
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday, May 23, 2012. 04:39:05 AM. »
I've got about 800 miles on my MC II. I agree 100% with all the positive comments above! A great tire.
I put new Thunderstar rims on my bike several weeks ago. When I bought the front wheel it came with a new Dunlop already mounted, so I only have the MC II on the rear. But because of the excellent performance, I'm seriously thinking about replacing the almost new Dunlop with a MC II now instead of waiting for it to wear out. I'm convinced putting one on the front will increase performance so much that it makes sense to do it now instead of waiting.
« Last Edit: Wednesday, May 23, 2012. 04:48:58 AM. by Nooter99 »
Better to die a million dollars in debt, than with a million in the bank!

Offline andre3k

  • Member
  • Posts: 17
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #69 on: Sunday, June 17, 2012. 07:19:33 PM. »
I really wanted to believe that this would be the perfect tire. But as in all things in life everything is a compromise. It just depends on what compromise you are willing to make. Currently I have about 8k on my rear Michelin Commander II mainly ridden on dry pavement with a few rain showers here and there.

I immediately noticed that on wet pavement the rear tire lost traction more often than the stock Dunlops. Nothing more than a slip here or there when leaving a stop light on making a turn at an intersection. I just chalked it up to oils on the roadway brought up by a light rain. I got a chance to really wring these tires out during a funeral escort this weekend. Basically its 5mph-90mph-5mph as many times as needed with an occasional emergency braking maneuver thrown in there. With my two previous Dunlop stock rears that lasted 24k, I never had an issue with them slipping in turns or under hard acceleration in wet weather. The Commander II's would spin up virtually every time I accelerated to get to the front of the funeral or to catch an assignment. They also tended to fishtail when taking turns, a problem I never had with the stock tires.

Dry pavement performance is phenomenal, about as phenomenal as a rear tire can be. At 8k no flat spots in the center of the rear and tread looks about the same as when they were new. Will I be going back to the stock Dunlops? No, I feel the advantages still outweigh the wet weather drawbacks. I now know that i can't run these tires as hard in the rain as I do with the Dunlops. Will adjust riding style and move forward. Most riders would probably never experience this in the rain but did want to let everyone know that wet weather traction is a bit lacking IMHO.

Offline ViennaHog

  • Site Supporter
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2012
  • Country: at
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #70 on: Sunday, June 17, 2012. 11:33:04 PM. »
After some 2000 miles now and some longer rain rides I have to agree with the previous poster as to wet performance. Cleary worse than the Dunlop and no comparison to a ME 880. With rain being a frequent travel companion over here I likely go back to a Dunlop. We cant get the American Eagle branded Dunlops over here which I would like to try

Offline Deye76

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 6713
  • Country: 00
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #71 on: Monday, June 18, 2012. 12:59:30 PM. »
"After some 2000 miles now and some longer rain rides I have to agree with the previous poster as to wet performance. Cleary worse than the Dunlop"


Just great, most switch from Dunlops because they suck in the rain. Unless the later models with a 180 rear have a different compound than the earlier models. If these CommII's are as bad, or worse than the 140 my bike came with I just wasted a whole bunch of $$$.
East Tenn.

Offline ViennaHog

  • Site Supporter
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2012
  • Country: at
Re: Michelin Commander II
« Reply #72 on: Monday, June 18, 2012. 09:38:25 PM. »
Reference is the new 408 Dunlop that comes stock on the 2009- FLT models. That tire is substantially better than it predecessors.