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Offline FIGJAM

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Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« on: Saturday, April 10, 2010. 03:03:59 PM. »
Guys,

Can the S&S case be fitted to the newer frames, I assume it something to do with the frame/transmision fitting or possibly electronics, what is the issue?

Has anyone fitted a S&S 124 crate motor into the newer frames? What was involved?

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, April 10, 2010. 04:44:00 PM. »
What does S&S say 'bout that?

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #2 on: Saturday, April 10, 2010. 05:36:37 PM. »
primary bolt location and oil feed to sump come to mind right away, the modifications IF possible are not as easy as just doing a hot set up 124 kit for a 2007 engine, machine work required there is case boring, cam clearance, timken conversion. I have done it several times, and tuned them afterward, just as good as a crate motor when done, just more time consuming to do.

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, April 10, 2010. 06:16:05 PM. »
What does S&S say 'bout that?

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S&S catalog reads 124 crate engine fits 02-06 bikes. I would like to know what it is that prohibits a 124 crate motor from being fitted into a later model bike. I know 08/09 are redesigned frames.

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #4 on: Saturday, April 10, 2010. 08:18:35 PM. »
the o6 dyna and everything 07 up has different primary bolt pattern,oil line route from trans to motor are internal vs external,compensater setup totaly different charging system different as well ,,that is all i can think of at this moment ,thanks pete
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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, April 10, 2010. 09:40:29 PM. »
the o6 dyna and everything 07 up has different primary bolt pattern,oil line route from trans to motor are internal vs external,compensater setup totaly different charging system different as well ,,that is all i can think of at this moment ,thanks pete

Thanks Pete, explains enough of the challenges.

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #6 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 03:28:10 AM. »
I talked with S&S a while back about this and they are working on a set of later model cases,but for now their complete motors won't work. It's to bad they don't, I put an S&S 111 in my wife's 05 RK trike and it is awesome. I would love to put one in my 07 Ultra.
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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #7 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 04:29:59 AM. »
I'm planning on my next "toy" and a G2 126 in a 2009 Road King I think would be fun.

So it will probably be an earlier model 2004-2006 Road King (they're plentiful with low miles).

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #8 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 05:09:46 AM. »
You can bore your OEM cases to accept Axtell 4 1/8" cylinders, and an S&S 4 4/8" stroke crank to bring you to 124". :wink:
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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #9 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 05:19:28 AM. »
You can bore your OEM cases to accept Axtell 4 1/8" cylinders, and an S&S 4 4/8" stroke crank to bring you to 124". :wink:
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Thank Scott, I'm weighing up options.

Option (1) install a new engine and keep the stock TC as a backup when/if it is time to sell.
Option (2) rebuild the existing engine, knowing that it will never be possible to bring it back to stock.

Option 1 cost is a little more than Option 2 cost, but it does have some advantages.


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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #10 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 06:46:27 AM. »
  I'm not sure of all the changes the later motors have but it looks like one of the major changes is the inner primary bolt pattern. I wrote Delkron the other day about coming up with an inner primary that uses the 07 and later motor bolt pattern and allows the use an early trans.
  As far as the oil feed, I'm thinking I could make some sort of adapter.
« Last Edit: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 07:39:04 AM. by catmcaw »

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #11 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 07:14:08 AM. »
nope...Jims makes the only 07 and up direct bolt-in that I am aware of.....

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #12 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 10:16:29 AM. »
Get a -2006 Touring transmission, primary, comp etc and it will bolt right in with a -2006 S&S touring engine. Lot less headache than converting the 2007- stuff + the benefit of the sturdy 5 speed box

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #13 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 10:19:41 AM. »
  I'm not sure of all the changes the later motors have but it looks like one of the major changes is the inner primary bolt pattern. I wrote Delkron the other day about coming up with an inner primary that uses the 07 and later motor bolt pattern and allows the use an early trans.
  As far as the oil feed, I'm thinking I could make some sort of adapter.

It's not just the primary, the bolt pattern of the six speed transmission to case is different. However you can bye the SE cases for $579.00 retail and a S&S 124 kit and keep your old motor together.

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #14 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 10:29:03 AM. »

It's not just the primary, the bolt pattern of the six speed transmission to case is different. However you can bye the SE cases for $579.00 retail and a S&S 124 kit and keep your old motor together.

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #15 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 11:11:08 AM. »
your only options are Jim`s 120`s and 131`s for 07 and up.
so happends i want to move a 07 n up 131 cheap .has 2000 miles on it.
pics are in the swap meat section.
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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #16 on: Sunday, April 11, 2010. 01:12:59 PM. »
  I'm not sure of all the changes the later motors have but it looks like one of the major changes is the inner primary bolt pattern. I wrote Delkron the other day about coming up with an inner primary that uses the 07 and later motor bolt pattern and allows the use an early trans.
  As far as the oil feed, I'm thinking I could make some sort of adapter.

It's not just the primary, the bolt pattern of the six speed transmission to case is different. However you can bye the SE cases for $579.00 retail and a S&S 124 kit and keep your old motor together.

Best advice yet Imo. By the S.E. cases and build what you want the right way from the ground up. I'd say resale value wise a engine with harley or screaming eagle cases will hold better resale than s/s if you sell your bike with the engine still in it.$579 is a bargain for new cases just wish they had them for 2006 and older.

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #17 on: Monday, April 12, 2010. 03:07:39 PM. »
whats the part# for the screamin eagle engine cases retail for $579  ?????

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #18 on: Monday, April 12, 2010. 03:38:23 PM. »
SCREAMIN’ EAGLE® PRO
Crankcase
24601-10 $579.95
Fits ’06-later Dyna® and ’07-later Touring models. :teeth:

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #19 on: Monday, April 12, 2010. 07:49:55 PM. »
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Offline Sylvester McBean

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #20 on: Monday, April 12, 2010. 09:18:01 PM. »
I will get the cases, install S&S hot set up kit, and have 124" engine ready for sale that fits 07 and up, anybody like to order one well I am at it?

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #21 on: Monday, April 12, 2010. 10:23:47 PM. »
I just recieved a set of the new Twincam A cases, bored to suit 4.125" cylinders, with an S&S 4.5" crank standing by to make me a 120, current 107 engine will go on the shelf as a spare.

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Re: Is it possible to fit S&S case (124 crate motor) in +2007 touring frame
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday, April 13, 2010. 07:53:23 AM. »
Pull your engine
Gut and bore the cases
put in the new bearings

Strip the 124's guts and
transfer to your cases..

Other than bore, gaskets and bearing install
just time and materials..