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Offline elloitt888

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powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« on: Wednesday, February 10, 2010. 03:33:13 PM. »
Anybody out there running a powerhouse 114? If so what oil pressure do you see.
I'm building an engine using one of their cranks and I know the standard type of  Evolution oil pump won't work. They use 350 Chevy rod bearings that require more oil pressure.
I've located a pump that I think will work but I need to do some modifications and I need to have new pump drive gears made.
Is there anybody else trying to use one of these cranks?
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, February 11, 2010. 07:04:22 AM. »
I'm not running one of those, but as an engineer and car tinkerer from way back,
if I were building one of those motors, I'd belt drive an external dry sump oil pump
similar to what they commonly use in sprint cars, etc.  They're compact, modular units
that have ample volume and pressure.  You can pretty much get one to match
any requirement you can think of. 

In my opinion, the Harley arrangement is a bit fragile for supplying serious volume and pressure.

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #2 on: Friday, February 12, 2010. 06:06:16 AM. »
  I,ve have only ever saw 1 once running,,,it just pulled in and was hot...It was running 40-50 psi,,When I saw it ,,,this motor was the new fresh "big deal" from Vern Ott,,you know babbit bearings,,offset Carrillo rods,,gerotor oil pump and a 7200 red line..I was impressed with the motor..
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Offline elloitt888

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #3 on: Friday, February 12, 2010. 08:57:18 AM. »
Thanks for the responses.
I didn't realize Vern Ott ran a gerotor pump.
I found one that looks like it will work with some mods, It turns backwards from a standard pump. I'm pricing out gears to work with this combination.
This one's not going to be cheap.
Anybody else out there with any experience with these engines?
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #4 on: Friday, February 12, 2010. 11:41:28 AM. »
Might want to look at the Pro-Flo oil pumps from Zippers.  Got one on another engine.  Puts out plenty of pressure and is adjustable with jets to taylor upper end and bottom end oiling separatly.
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #5 on: Friday, February 12, 2010. 01:34:29 PM. »
   Can you explain how the crank will work in a standard V twin,,,Or did I miss something????
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Offline elloitt888

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #6 on: Friday, February 12, 2010. 02:00:59 PM. »
The cranks are designed to fit big bore Evolution cases.
The rods are side by side and have half the offset necessary to put the pistons back in line
the other half needs to be designed into the custom pistons, as I said this won't be cheap.
The cranks are one piece and have a 4 inch stroke, I've heard they can spin to 9000 rpm.

Offline Rugby_fxdwg

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, February 13, 2010. 08:57:01 AM. »
Do they still make these motors?
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, February 13, 2010. 09:29:23 AM. »
No they dont.  When he left Mid-USA he took most things with him.  There is still parts here and there in the back room.  Not enough to build a complete engine.  Unturned cracks and such.

This design is not new to v-twins.  Just new to the street end of things.
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #9 on: Saturday, February 13, 2010. 06:59:57 PM. »
   I know where there are couple of these motors,,or there was..They are brand new 114,,sitting in BC Canada at an Indy shop I use to frequent..
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #10 on: Saturday, February 27, 2010. 05:02:51 PM. »
They are still making these motors. Presently working on a shovel version. The cranks can also be had, brand new in whatever stroke length you'd like, although, I'm not sure you if you can order a crank sans the rest of the setup.
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #11 on: Saturday, February 27, 2010. 05:03:28 PM. »
The gent is based out of MD.
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #12 on: Thursday, July 15, 2010. 08:03:19 AM. »
I've looked around and have yet to see any information about the heads used in this 114 engine.  What do they look like?  Who made or makes them and how do they work out?  I've seen the cranks around.

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #13 on: Thursday, July 15, 2010. 03:14:57 PM. »
i live in md fella,s and i will say,  that badas--  sleeper soon to hit the streets is the talk of the town around our little piece of dirt,  i have followed it very closely and i,m here to say. its out there.  for sure gonna be a contender.  more than that i am uncomfortable with saying.  it,s not a big secret, info is available on one of the primary forums.  i just dont want to make a mistake and put biz on the street for whatever reason. i am not approved or qualified to speak for the company.   but i swear, that motor is diff and bad to da bone period.  it will also come with built in history because it is the result of many of the greats in our industry.  now i ask you.  how cool is that.  pretty neat  stuff i think. lupe

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, July 15, 2010. 06:27:32 PM. »
  Its Dave at BMO that is doin the 114 shovel ,,he has bought the rights from Vern Ott...Dave also bought "Velva Touch " from Crane as they went down in quality from Vern's originals...I have dealt with Dave at BMO,,,good guy,,willing to help out...I would call him for parts on the 114,,,I imagine the bottom ends are almost the same from shovel to evo styles...
Dave

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #15 on: Monday, July 19, 2010. 06:40:38 AM. »
Elliott??

Are you still working this engine?  With what heads and cases?  It's my understanding the cases are special in that they need to accomodate a .375 longer pinion.

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #16 on: Saturday, September 29, 2012. 05:07:38 AM. »
My Cousin at Goblin Cycles in Geneva Ohio has featured those motors on a couple of custom bikes.  I did some reading on them out of curiousity, from what I understand the oil pump was a feature on these bikes.  It was my understanding that these oil pumps would generate constant oil pressure.  He runs them hard and they make power 114 square motor.
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #17 on: Monday, October 01, 2012. 05:23:54 AM. »
IIRC Ron McBroom designed the pistons for these, not your usual shape.
 
Is he involved with the shovel version being developed?
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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #18 on: Monday, October 01, 2012. 06:58:09 AM. »
somebody looking for  a brand new engine ? will put it in the FS sect. :pop:

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Re: powerhouse 114 crankshaft
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, October 02, 2012. 06:48:39 AM. »
What's wrong with having the only Evo in the parking lot?