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Offline SE113

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Tman 625 cams
« on: Friday, April 10, 2009. 08:31:34 PM. »
How good is tman625  cam. I want a quiet Cam and strong cam. Right now i have the 113 kit with the 264 cams real good TQ and good HP BUT LOUD LOUD. Its in a 07 street glide With CNC Ported heads. I keep hearing that this Tman 625 cam is strong and QUIET QUIET.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #1 on: Friday, April 10, 2009. 08:50:55 PM. »
I sent you an email, for some reason I could not reply to your PM ???

Very pleased with mine, nice sticks!  I don't have many miles on em yet, but they seem to go very well with my 103
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #2 on: Friday, April 10, 2009. 09:03:50 PM. »
My 625 are very quiet, but lets define quiet...

Quiet = .0015 crank runout with a timken conversion plugged CVO crank, welded & balanced thanks to Hoban Brothers Darkhorse crank works, it only takes $$$$$
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #3 on: Friday, April 10, 2009. 09:07:40 PM. »
113 you can go nowhere but up, in torque that is.

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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #4 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 02:47:22 AM. »
I run'em in my '00 FL mouse motor, gear driven .0016 runout, 95" @ 10.6:1, strong and quiet, pulls like a mule on the bottom and strong to 6000. I love'em.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 07:18:44 AM. »
If you still have the springs that come with those heads you may want to consider a change. Mucho pressure that can contribute to valve train noise.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 08:07:35 AM. »
TR's new 662 is the cam designed for quiet and it comes in different profiles, you might want check them out.  The 625 is a nice cam but if your heads will flow for the additional lift the 662 is the quiet cam from T-Man.  Give TR a call, he usually answers the phone in the late afternoon, easy guy to talk to.  I run his 590's in my 95 and they are fairly quiet. 
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 09:46:25 AM. »
absoluty a very under rated cam will work far better then a lot of cams out there and it will produce some good power.
going to be trying the 662 later in the yr also i know a tuner who put the 650 in his bike and will have some info on them later in the week.
ill send you guys a pm about the diffrence if you would like.
right now Dave from JD's is tuning a 117 and alls i can say is this bike is kicking some serious a$$ with the power it is making. the owner will post sheets later in the week probley next week after it is done.
but he is one happy camper for sure .
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 03:53:50 PM. »
The two cams are miles apart in cam timing .......  Intakes closing 41 vs. 60 just for starters. Your compression is going to jump  way way up  with the Tman 625.
Your pk tqe will come in about 600 rpm`s earlier. The TM 662 -2 or 3 would  be better in your case. In closing is 51 and 61 TM662-2 still may have too much compression with out getting into the motor. TM662-3 will have just about same compression as the SE 264. The  WT46 will suprise you.........still ,ya got to go into the heads and readjust compression.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #9 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 05:06:27 PM. »
se113 like pmd you it hits like the hammer of god in my 117, putting the 625 im my new 107 just waiting on my heads to get don.

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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #10 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 06:22:20 PM. »
SE,  Hardyheads is correct huge difference between your SE260 & the Tman 625.  What is your CR & CCP at now?
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #11 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 08:19:42 PM. »
SE,  Hardyheads is correct huge difference between your SE260 & the Tman 625.  What is your CR & CCP at now?
Im running the SE264 with 10.5 comp right now i am at 100TQ at 2400 then 110TQ a 2800, i peak at a 122TQ at 4000 i drop under 110 at 5400. 
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #12 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 08:25:50 PM. »
The two cams are miles apart in cam timing .......  Intakes closing 41 vs. 60 just for starters. Your compression is going to jump  way way up  with the Tman 625.
Your pk tqe will come in about 600 rpm`s earlier. The TM 662 -2 or 3 would  be better in your case. In closing is 51 and 61 TM662-2 still may have too much compression with out getting into the motor. TM662-3 will have just about same compression as the SE 264. The  WT46 will suprise you.........still ,ya got to go into the heads and readjust compression.
So your saying that the tman 625 would give me to much compression. right now around 10.5-10.6 don't need anymore comp. what would it jump my comp. too.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #13 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 08:41:11 PM. »
Well using the calculator on bigboyz site & your CR at 10.5 that implies your CCP is about 185 now, the Tman625 will push your CCP up to about 202. That's about 5 less then mine but more then most folks want. My CCP is at 207 but I'm running 103 & using my compression releases religiously, Yooper cables & just installed a new Ultima 1.75 starter & I'm still hoping that all that combined is going to make mine manageable... :embarrassed:

Just thought I'd share some valid info for you to think over, most here would want the CCP you have now. Not that it would not pull like a bear and run great with the proper tune, just sayin.


 
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #14 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 08:45:39 PM. »
Well using the calculator on bigboyz site & your CR at 10.5 that implies your CCP is about 185 now, the Tman625 will push your CCP up to about 202. That's about 5 less then mine but more then most folks want. My CCP is at 207 but I'm running 103 & using my compression releases religiously, Yooper cables & just installed a new Ultima 1.75 starter & I'm still hoping that all that combined is going to make mine manageable... :embarrassed:

Just thought I'd share some valid info for you to think over, most here would want the CCP you have now. Not that it would not pull like a bear and run great with the proper tune, just sayin.
Mine will not start unless compression releases are used if motor is hot it will not turn over at all


 
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #15 on: Saturday, April 11, 2009. 08:56:00 PM. »
Correction SE I used the SE260 cams in the calculator & I see now you stated you have the 264's chit that makes it even worse 264 CCP = 176 Tman 625's CCP = 202 at 10.5 CR sorry about that :emsad:
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #16 on: Sunday, April 12, 2009. 06:03:41 PM. »
How the hell can you even calculate CCP without making a lot of ASSumptions about his engine particulars??
I think that throwing out unfounded or unverified information is what gets people into a lot of trouble and then, where are the people that sent them in the wrong direction?

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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #17 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 07:11:28 AM. »
How the hell can you even calculate CCP without making a lot of ASSumptions about his engine particulars??
I think that throwing out unfounded or unverified information is what gets people into a lot of trouble and then, where are the people that sent them in the wrong direction?

longshooter

I thought that this was based on 10.5 CR on a 113, I guess you have to assume that this is correct.. They are assuming a 7.667 rod (I'd doubt anything else though Jim's had a 7.600 for a while), std atmospheric and know the intake close. What else do you need?

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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #18 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 07:22:25 AM. »
662 is a lot of lift. The whole valvetrain needs the geometry fixed to run that effectively and likely with a 1.90 valve intake it's a waste.

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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #19 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 07:33:30 AM. »
662 is a lot of lift. The whole valvetrain needs the geometry fixed to run that effectively and likely with a 1.90 valve intake it's a waste.

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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #20 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 08:54:05 AM. »
Well, I am going to bring up the WT26 becase of the 50 closing and the 248 duration, Low lift and super quiet.One thing the 26 has taught me is you do not need high lift for big power. High lift is hard on the valve train and longivity of the engine. I ran the Wood 8 in my 114 so I know 248 duration is plenty for the 113. If the exhaust ports flow well it is a prime canidate for that cam.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #21 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 09:27:15 AM. »
Well, I am going to bring up the WT26 becase of the 50 closing and the 248 duration, Low lift and super quiet.One thing the 26 has taught me is you do not need high lift for big power. High lift is hard on the valve train and longivity of the engine. I ran the Wood 8 in my 114 so I know 248 duration is plenty for the 113. If the exhaust ports flow well it is a prime canidate for that cam.

TR's TR-525 cam is a good example of that.  Low lift, drop-in cam that performs extremely well and is quiet.

Edit:  Why not give TR a call.  He will tell you what will work well in your engine.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #22 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 11:14:00 AM. »
How the hell can you even calculate CCP without making a lot of ASSumptions about his engine particulars??
I think that throwing out unfounded or unverified information is what gets people into a lot of trouble and then, where are the people that sent them in the wrong direction?

longshooter


I thought that this was based on 10.5 CR on a 113, I guess you have to assume that this is correct.. They are assuming a 7.667 rod (I'd doubt anything else though Jim's had a 7.600 for a while), std atmospheric and know the intake close. What else do you need?

Max


Max thanks for that reply.  :up:

Longshooter here using this calculator I plugged in the 113 engine size & fudged around until I got the CR to approximately 10.5 & then selected the SE 264 to get an idea of what SE113's current CCP is vs the effective difference with the Tman 625's,

click here >>> http://www.bigboyzheadporting.com/TwinCamComp.htm <<<< this is a very handy tool to estimate what your CCP will be when selecting a cam shaft for your build. :wink:
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #23 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 08:27:15 PM. »
The only information provided about this particular engine is the following : 113 C.I. , running SE264 cams, 10.5 or 10.5 to 10.6:1 compression ratio and CNC ported heads. What is not known : what pistons, deck height, whose heads and chamber size, HG thickness and ID. While
with the exception of chamber size, the other items may not make a LOT of difference, they do make a difference. You can FUDGE all you want to arrive
at any number you want but that is NOT calculating.

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PS ... Thanks for the link, but I already have a few that I am familiar with and use on a pretty regular basis.
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Re: Tman 625 cams
« Reply #24 on: Monday, April 13, 2009. 08:38:01 PM. »
Longshooter,

Huh I mean  :wtf:

Your welcome I guess  :rtfb:
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