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Offline SE113

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2014 touring bikes (cams)
« on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 01:56:23 PM. »
Does all the 2014 touring bikes have the 255 Cams or is it just certain ones?
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 04:21:13 PM. »
I dont thik they have 255s
I hear they have a different cam.
There was a thread about this on here. It had all the specs and a drawing of the differences
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 05:26:02 PM. »
I assume the CVO bikes still get the 255 but I'm not sure.

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 05:37:57 PM. »
I did talk with a sales person who said they have two street glide versions. The special did have different cams and I think he said they were 255's.
Will check later as I have to go back there for something.
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 06:41:02 PM. »
The new bikes come witha different cam from what I gather.
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 06:47:04 PM. »
A lot of sales people are wrong.  All of the 2014 twincams have the same cams. Some touring air cleaner covers say high output but they are the same.  Its a longer duration with overlap cam.  Lift?  The cvo bikes still have SE 255 cams
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 06:53:13 PM. »
Ive ridden a few of the new cam bikes...they pull very close to a 255   I like the feel of them ....lots of bottom end TQ
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 07:19:20 PM. »
All of the dyno charts show otherwise but i do feel that same feeling of better response and power.
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, September 04, 2013. 07:39:10 PM. »
I just got back home from the 110th Anniversary where I demo rode some new bikes. I tried to pin down the guys out there about the cam changes. I've seen the stuff posted here about the timing. From what they were saying, and what I've seen here on HTT, I'm pretty sure the new cams have the SE 255 timing (or very close) but they do not have the same lift. They were boasting of about a 5% hp and torque increase in the stock engines ( over a 2013) with the new cams. The "Twin Cooled" (air/water cooled) engines gain another 5% boost in power from the higher compression on those engines, according to them. I think those engines now have a 10:1 compression over the air cooled 9.6:1. This information makes sense with what I felt when I rode the bikes. Some increase but not hugely noticeable.

I've seen dyno sheets of 103's with SE255 cams. Those come out with something between 90 and 95 hp. That is roughly 20 hp more than stock. That is a definite and noticeable increase. I had a 103 with Andrews 54 cams which are close to the same cams. I had 92 hp. The demo bikes were not anywhere near that powerful. Personally, my butt cannot really tell an increase of 5% or 10%. You really need a dyno or 1/4 mile times to see that difference. An increase of 20 hp is roughly 30% over stock. That I can feel. I'm also pretty sure the CVO's are still the only bikes that come from the factory with the SE255's.

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, September 05, 2013. 06:30:55 AM. »
the new cams are in the engines with the new air cleaner any bike with a football air cleaner has the same cams as 2013 Butch

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #10 on: Thursday, September 05, 2013. 10:11:54 AM. »

I've seen dyno sheets of 103's with SE255 cams. Those come out with something between 90 and 95 hp. That is roughly 20 hp more than stock.

Strange, the dyno sheet I saw from Fuel Moto shows the “Twin Cooled” 110 CVO at 84.80HP/98.94TQ.

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday, September 05, 2013. 10:54:49 AM. »
Hmmm... stranger still. I thought the SE 110's had around 115 ft/lbs of torque advertised when they came out. The SE catalog shows a 103 Stage II kit with the SE 255 cams with 85 hp & 103 torque. Reasonably close to my experience and what I've seen elsewhere. The same catalog shows a 103 Stage III kit with SE 259e cams. It has almost 100 hp and almost 110 ft/lbs. I don't know what kind of tuning they were doing. The Fuel Moto seems low or is that at the rear wheel while HD posted at the crank numbers?

From what the guys were saying at the demo rides, all the (non CVO) bikes have the same cams so they all have a small boost in power. The increased compression gives the twin cooled bikes a little bigger boost. Somebody needs to buy a new bike and take it apart so we can get some real info.

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday, September 05, 2013. 10:59:17 AM. »
Hmmm... stranger still. I thought the SE 110's had around 115 ft/lbs of torque advertised when they came out. The SE catalog shows a 103 Stage II kit with the SE 255 cams with 85 hp & 103 torque. Reasonably close to my experience and what I've seen elsewhere. The same catalog shows a 103 Stage III kit with SE 259e cams. It has almost 100 hp and almost 110 ft/lbs. I don't know what kind of tuning they were doing. The Fuel Moto seems low or is that at the rear wheel while HD posted at the crank numbers?

From what the guys were saying at the demo rides, all the (non CVO) bikes have the same cams so they all have a small boost in power. The increased compression gives the twin cooled bikes a little bigger boost. Somebody needs to buy a new bike and take it apart so we can get some real info.

this seems like the most logical explanation....FM is def gonna be measured @ rear wheel

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday, September 05, 2013. 11:32:57 AM. »
Yep, it was at the rear wheel.

I personally am not impressed considering all the extra crap on the bike for the cooling. Now you have lowers that can't be removed because of the radiators, hoses, coolant, water pump etc. I bought my first Harley in 1999 to get away from that. Every year I keep thinking I might buy a new one but it seems like every year there's something else added I'm not too crazy about. I think I'll stick with my cool running 120" with cable operated throttle and just keep updating. It's much cheaper and a lot more fun.

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, September 05, 2013. 03:59:41 PM. »
the new cams are in the engines with the new air cleaner any bike with a football air cleaner has the same cams as 2013 Butch
This is correct only the touring bikes got the "new" cams.  All the other bikes got squat.
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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #15 on: Saturday, September 07, 2013. 07:17:49 PM. »
We could get this cam question issue answered pretty quick if somebody working at a dealership would look up part numbers for us. The dealers have catalogs with blow up diagrams of just about everything on a Harley don't they? Can we get someone to look up the part numbers for stock cams in the Dyna, Softails etc and compare the numbers to the Touring bikes and also compare them to the Limiteds? How about comparing the part numbers to the 2013 bikes also to see which cams have changed and which ones haven't? Part numbers won't tell us specs but it will clear up the confusion of which bikes have which cams.

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #16 on: Saturday, September 07, 2013. 07:40:47 PM. »
the new cams are in the engines with the new air cleaner any bike with a football air cleaner has the same cams as 2013 Butch
This is correct only the touring bikes got the "new" cams.  All the other bikes got squat.

All the other bikes got squat. = Dynas & Softails.

2014

CVO ROAD KING       25638-07 kit   SE255
ROAD KING CLASSIC    25400002 Front // 25400003 Rear
ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA CLASSIC TWIN-COOLED   25400002 Front // 25400003 Rear
FLHX STREET GLIDE   25400002 Front // 25400003 Rear


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2013

CVO ROAD KING       25638-07 kit   SE255
ROAD KING CLASSIC   24608-07A Front // 25590-07A Rear
ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA CLASSIC   24608-07A Front // 25590-07A Rear
FLHX STREET GLIDE   24608-07A Front // 25590-07A Rear

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Re: 2014 touring bikes (cams)
« Reply #17 on: Monday, September 09, 2013. 09:59:45 AM. »
Excellent and "Thank You!" for looking that up. Now we know and don't have to speculate.