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Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« on: Tuesday, October 16, 2012. 04:08:22 PM. »
Anyone here put one of these on a late model touring bike (I guess late model is redundant)? Any issues with fitment?
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2012. 07:47:28 PM. »
Are you getting tired of "cleaning"!  :hyst:  :hyst:

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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, October 16, 2012. 07:56:35 PM. »
I thought about it until i saw how much they cost!
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 04:48:34 AM. »
I have one on a 2009 EC. No problem with fitment, but the pan sure as h*** doesn't hold 1.5 qts more than stock. When I questioned Baker's I was told that the guy who designed it figures out the pan volume from a computer image, and they didn't know anything otherwise. I put 3.5 US quarts in, start the bike to get oil pressure up, then turn it off and measure. It read 1/2 qt low on the dipstick. Go figure.

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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 04:50:46 AM. »
I have one on a 2009 EC. No problem with fitment, but the pan sure as h*** doesn't hold 1.5 qts more than stock. When I questioned Baker's I was told that the guy who designed it figures out the pan volume from a computer image, and they didn't know anything otherwise. I put 3.5 US quarts in, start the bike to get oil pressure up, then turn it off and measure. It read 1/2 qt low on the dipstick. Go figure.

Really? That would stink! I would be pissed after spending that kind of money, I have been contemplating a +1 for my '08, maybe I need to ask that same question first.
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 12:38:26 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 12:51:20 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

More oil capacity is never a bad thing.
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 01:00:05 PM. »
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More oil capacity is never a bad thing.

Have used the +1's. The upside to me was the oil routing within the pan over the additional capacity.
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 01:05:16 PM. »
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More oil capacity is never a bad thing.

Have used the +1's. The upside to me was the oil routing within the pan over the additional capacity.

 :up:  Cooler oil going back in.
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 01:36:26 PM. »
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More oil capacity is never a bad thing.

Have used the +1's. The upside to me was the oil routing within the pan over the additional capacity.

 :agree:  I agree with John ,  why I have one on my 120
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 04:50:48 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

More oil capacity is never a bad thing.
Takes longer to heat up to normal. Takes longer to cool when hot and it will eventually reach the same temp as lower quantity. Cost more for an oil change too. That's 3 baddies. :wink:
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 04:56:33 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

More oil capacity is never a bad thing.
Takes longer to heat up to normal. Takes longer to cool when hot and it will eventually reach the same temp as lower quantity. Cost more for an oil change too. That's 3 baddies. :wink:
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Well, by that logic, I sure hope you're running your bike on 1.75 quarts!    :smilep:
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 05:01:31 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

More oil capacity is never a bad thing.
Takes longer to heat up to normal. Takes longer to cool when hot and it will eventually reach the same temp as lower quantity. Cost more for an oil change too. That's 3 baddies. :wink:
Ron

Well, by that logic, I sure hope you're running your bike on 1.75 quarts!    :smilep:
Not at all, but I've been through all that before. Hence my claims from first hand experience.
Actually wanted to see how long it took for you to jump on it. You are quick. :hyst:
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 05:03:10 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

More oil capacity is never a bad thing.
Takes longer to heat up to normal. Takes longer to cool when hot and it will eventually reach the same temp as lower quantity. Cost more for an oil change too. That's 3 baddies. :wink:
Ron

Well, by that logic, I sure hope you're running your bike on 1.75 quarts!    :smilep:
Not at all, but I've been through all that before. Hence my claims from first hand experience.
Actually wanted to see how long it took for you to jump on it. You are quick. :hyst:
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 05:17:47 PM. »
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More oil capacity is never a bad thing.

Have used the +1's. The upside to me was the oil routing within the pan over the additional capacity.

 :agree:  I agree with John ,  why I have one on my 120
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am curious how it routes the pi; from within . is it differant from how its routed in the stock pan.   trying to figure it out.
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 05:22:28 PM. »
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More oil capacity is never a bad thing.


Have used the +1's. The upside to me was the oil routing within the pan over the additional capacity.


 :agree:  I agree with John ,  why I have one on my 120
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am curious how it routes the pi; from within . is it differant from how its routed in the stock pan.   trying to figure it out.
Thanks


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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 05:22:40 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

More oil capacity is never a bad thing.
Takes longer to heat up to normal. Takes longer to cool when hot and it will eventually reach the same temp as lower quantity. Cost more for an oil change too. That's 3 baddies. :wink:
Ron


1. So it takes what 5 minutes longer (I'd bet it's less) .. I guess if all you are doing is going down to the 7/11 for a 12 pack of Bud you don't need it..

2. Not sure it takes that much longer to cool and that may be a good thing...

3. Instead of changing oil at the same interval, increase it by 50%.. After all you now have 50% more oil.. It will cost less since filter usage rate goes down..

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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 06:28:58 PM. »
The +1 on my glide helped reduce temps noticeably.
And yes, with more oil I extend the oil change interval.

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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 06:41:58 PM. »
A solution for a nonexistant problem.

More oil capacity is never a bad thing.
Takes longer to heat up to normal. Takes longer to cool when hot and it will eventually reach the same temp as lower quantity. Cost more for an oil change too. That's 3 baddies. :wink:
Ron


1. So it takes what 5 minutes longer (I'd bet it's less) .. I guess if all you are doing is going down to the 7/11 for a 12 pack of Bud you don't need it..

2. Not sure it takes that much longer to cool and that may be a good thing...

3. Instead of changing oil at the same interval, increase it by 50%.. After all you now have 50% more oil.. It will cost less since filter usage rate goes down..

Max
Nobody will increase the milage, you know that?  I've tested this claim with VW engines run at constant rpms and loads for extended periods in aircraft and I can clearly say running cooler with more oil is total horse chit. Even aviators have all kinds of claims too.   :hyst: Might take an extra half hour to hit max temp but in the end an extra quart reaches the same temp as normal volume. If the Baker actually drops the temp it's not the oil volume its from increased surface area of the pan the oil comes in contact with . I think a good cooler is still a better option.
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 06:53:07 PM. »
I'm betting the Baker will drop temps based on it's mass and routing of oil. It's an impressive piece of machining (except for the part where it don't fit).  :doh:

I'll take some photos when I get the improved model delivered.
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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 06:55:43 PM. »
I'm betting the Baker will drop temps based on it's mass and routing of oil. It's an impressive piece of machining (except for the part where it don't fit).  :doh:

I'll take some photos when I get the improved model delivered.

Where are you seeing interference Coyote? And they're sending you a different pan, or a pan with updates?
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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 07:02:30 PM. »
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Might take an extra half hour to hit max temp but in the end an extra quart reaches the same temp as normal volume.

Where do you get 1/2 hour more??

The VW motor?  :hyst:

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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 07:09:00 PM. »
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Might take an extra half hour to hit max temp but in the end an extra quart reaches the same temp as normal volume.

Where do you get 1/2 hour more??

The VW motor?  :hyst:

Max
In this case from take off , to reach normal 185 temp on that particular setup. Basic same conditions took around 1/2 more to hit the 185. Not lab quality testing but testing the theory before adding the extra sump and after was repeatable enough to prove the point. I was warned prior to the test but the stubborn bastard I am , didn't believe it . :hyst:
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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 07:20:01 PM. »
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Might take an extra half hour to hit max temp but in the end an extra quart reaches the same temp as normal volume.

Where do you get 1/2 hour more??

The VW motor?  :hyst:

Max
In this case from take off , to reach normal 185 temp on that particular setup. Basic same conditions took around 1/2 more to hit the 185. Not lab quality testing but testing the theory before adding the extra sump and after was repeatable enough to prove the point. I was warned prior to the test but the stubborn bastard I am , didn't believe it . :hyst:
Ron

I didn't know pigs fly,,  :hyst: Or are you talking about VWs?  Aviator? Now I understand..


I'm betting the Baker will drop temps based on it's mass and routing of oil. It's an impressive piece of machining (except for the part where it don't fit).  :doh:

I'll take some photos when I get the improved model delivered.

I've come to believe that keeping oil cool in the pans is probably better than an oil cooler.. Like you day the added surface area helps...  The problem with the oil cooler is that it only cools oil for a short time (unless of course you do it on an EVO..  :wink:)  With a cooler on a TC it's only cooled just before it gets heated again.

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Re: Baker +1.5 Oil Pan
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday, October 17, 2012. 07:35:30 PM. »
I'm betting the Baker will drop temps based on it's mass and routing of oil. It's an impressive piece of machining (except for the part where it don't fit).  :doh:

I'll take some photos when I get the improved model delivered.

Where are you seeing interference Coyote? And they're sending you a different pan, or a pan with updates?

It's hitting the right frame rail before it drops into the alignment pins. They are modifying one to send (removing some material)
I feel the need... for twisties with speed.