Power Vision questions

[joe_lyons50023]

I was meaning more of a MAP based VE tabe vs.  TP
I don't have a PV unit right now I just wana know for future refrence

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[Jamie Long]

I was meaning more of a MAP based VE tabe vs.  TP
I don't have a PV unit right now I just wana know for future refrence

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Currently only the Level 009 and 44 TBW calibrations are MAP based

[strokerjlk]

I was meaning more of a MAP based VE tabe vs.  TP
I don't have a PV unit right now I just wana know for future refrence

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Currently only the Level 009 and 44 TBW calibrations are MAP based

Will there  be any 205 lambda base maps?
I have a few sepst 205 lambda tuned bikes running around.( open loop and working out nice)
Have you tested any 205 lambda bikes in open loop?
Closed loop with wide bands ?
Narrow band closed loop? (12mm or 18mm)

[Tre_11 FLHX]

As I'm tuning my scoot with AT, i wanted to see what the VE were doing.  It appears the rear cylinder is maxing out at various points.  The CI is set at 112, should I take the cubes higher, say 117?
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Front

[Tre_11 FLHX]

Display wise the tracer interpolates the columns and cells, it is simply using the ECM data bus. Nothing wrong with idle Kpa in the 40's, however we do not generally set idle below 950 RPM.

Jamie,
I'm working off a map that you sent, should I raise the idle rpm?

Tre'

[Scotty]

Currently only the Level 009 and 44 TBW calibrations are MAP based
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What about the level 218 files that are stock in the 2009 Touring bikes.

Supposedly they were a Lambda based calibration and we ended up having to flash over them with level 205 files.

So what happens when you read the stock 218 file and edit that is it a Lambda calibration or a AFR ?

[Jamie Long]

Will there  be any 205 lambda base maps?
I have a few sepst 205 lambda tuned bikes running around.( open loop and working out nice)
Have you tested any 205 lambda bikes in open loop?
Closed loop with wide bands ?
Narrow band closed loop? (12mm or 18mm)

All of our 205 cals are TPS X RPM. They are closed loop maps using the factory sensors, however one could certainly configure them in open loop if desired. We do not "currently" have the ability to run closed loop with Widebands.

[Jamie Long]

As I'm tuning my scoot with AT, i wanted to see what the VE were doing.  It appears the rear cylinder is maxing out at various points.  The CI is set at 112, should I take the cubes higher, say 117?

Jamie,
I'm working off a map that you sent, should I raise the idle rpm?
Tre'

I would raise the displacement constant to 118", and then remove 5% from the VE tables from the area's that are not maxed (127.5) which should keep your tune pretty close. Run the Auto Logger a couple times, check your delta's and you should be right there.

I would bump the idle up to 950 and they generally respond better

[Jamie Long]

What about the level 218 files that are stock in the 2009 Touring bikes.

Supposedly they were a Lambda based calibration and we ended up having to flash over them with level 205 files.

So what happens when you read the stock 218 file and edit that is it a Lambda calibration or a AFR ?

Yes 218 cals are Lambda based. You can read the ECM, extract it, and start tuning no problem

[oldguy]

Will there  be any 205 lambda base maps?
I have a few sepst 205 lambda tuned bikes running around.( open loop and working out nice)
Have you tested any 205 lambda bikes in open loop?
Closed loop with wide bands ?
Narrow band closed loop? (12mm or 18mm)

All of our 205 cals are TPS X RPM. They are closed loop maps using the factory sensors, however one could certainly configure them in open loop if desired. We do not "currently" have the ability to run closed loop with Widebands.

Closed loop with widebands. NOW your talkin! Oops! broadbands-Sorry Steve!

[Tre_11 FLHX]

Jamie,
just finished a 35 mile run with the CI set at 118.  Only had one celll on the rear max out at 50 4000 rpm's.

Tre'

[strokerjlk]

Will there  be any 205 lambda base maps?
I have a few sepst 205 lambda tuned bikes running around.( open loop and working out nice)
Have you tested any 205 lambda bikes in open loop?
Closed loop with wide bands ?
Narrow band closed loop? (12mm or 18mm)

All of our 205 cals are TPS X RPM. They are closed loop maps using the factory sensors, however one could certainly configure them in open loop if desired. We do not "currently" have the ability to run closed loop with Widebands.

Thanks . I thought I read the wideband closed loop was included in the next update.
Scotty let me know how the 218 cal works out

[hdmanillac]

In AFR table of TTS CTD044-03 map we can see a 15kPa column with lambda value below open loop. This column does not exist in SEPST 044AAG003 or DPV so impossible to modify.

Is there any reason ?

 

[mayor]

Ken,
I was able to catch a photo of it.

how do I get this screen?  what's it called in the gauges? 

[Jamie Long]

In AFR table of TTS CTD044-03 map we can see a 15kPa column with lambda value below open loop. This column does not exist in SEPST 044AAG003 or DPV so impossible to modify.

Is there any reason ?

 

Not exactly sure what you are asking here

[Jamie Long]

Ken,
I was able to catch a photo of it.

how do I get this screen?  what's it called in the gauges?

This is the Auto Logger "green" screen which is in the Beta FW I emailed you. There is a similar screen in the production firmware you can access by going to Settings>Enter Code>319245 and there are full instructions for this process at http://fuelmotousa.com/PVlogtuner.htm If you need any assistance just let me know

[hdmanillac]

In AFR table of TTS CTD044-03 map we can see a 15kPa column with lambda value below open loop. This column does not exist in SEPST 044AAG003 or DPV so impossible to modify.

Is there any reason ?

 

Not exactly sure what you are asking here

As you can see, TTS CTD044-03-A0 AFR table shows a 15kPa open loop and a 20kPa closed loop columns where SEPST 044AAG003 only shows a 20kPa closed loop column. These 2 cals are for same bike, same year, same config.

And Power Vision with my stock cal is like SEPST without 15kPa column open loop.

But when I autotune my bike, during decel, map is below 20kPa (around 5 kPa) and no VE are shaped below the 20kPa column.

 

[joe_lyons50023]

Is it popping on decell?  It is my understanding that what the value is in the 20 or 15 column just continued to the left

[Jamie Long]

In AFR table of TTS CTD044-03 map we can see a 15kPa column with lambda value below open loop. This column does not exist in SEPST 044AAG003 or DPV so impossible to modify.

Is there any reason ?

 

Not exactly sure what you are asking here

As you can see, TTS CTD044-03-A0 AFR table shows a 15kPa open loop and a 20kPa closed loop columns where SEPST 044AAG003 only shows a 20kPa closed loop column. These 2 cals are for same bike, same year, same config.

And Power Vision with my stock cal is like SEPST without 15kPa column open loop.

But when I autotune my bike, during decel, map is below 20kPa (around 5 kPa) and no VE are shaped below the 20kPa column.

 

I cannot comment or offer info on TTS or SEPST calibrations on how/why they do things. If you do not have a 15Kpa column it will reference the 20Kpa column during deceleration, however note Power Vision is not going to populate VE corrections in this area 

[Ken R]

Mayor, I don't believe you can on the computer.  When on the motorcycle you go to autotune and click the  "start logging" button, this screen comes up.  I think that once you're finished with the tuning run, the screen cannot be recalled.  At least I haven't figured out a way to do it. 
 
 
Ken
 

Ken,
I was able to catch a photo of it.

how do I get this screen?  what's it called in the gauges?

[wurk_truk]

Like Jim, I am very interested in the level 218 maps.  I presently am running a 205 cal in the 120r, but would like to try a 218, if it would be possible.  Otherwise, I would have to throw my newer ECM on the bike and try out a level 44 for the lambda.

[hdmanillac]

I've got a stock 218 cal but I can't attached it to the post. ".pvt" files are not allowed as attached files

 

[HV]

Try Now 

[FSG]

Try now ,     00000.pvt  attaches OK, although it's a graphic, it's the extension that counts.

[HV]