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Offline codyshop

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Replace TSSM with regular TSM?
« on: Saturday, March 19, 2011. 04:47:44 PM. »
Can you replace a bad TSSM with a non-security TSM ('04 WG).   Bike took a spill, "TSSM Node Missing" on scan, bike runs fine, everything works except turn signals and speedo (doesn't even illuminate).   Took out the TSSM, did the magnet trick and it worked for an hour then quit again.    Thanks.

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Re: Replace TSSM with regular TSM?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, March 19, 2011. 05:05:17 PM. »
Yes you can, I have done it on a 05 FLHT and an 06 Dyna. 

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday, March 19, 2011. 06:52:03 PM. »
Yup,  Did it on my 02 Dyna, also   :up:
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Re: Replace TSSM with regular TSM?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, March 19, 2011. 08:27:57 PM. »
magnet trick?

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday, March 19, 2011. 10:13:03 PM. »
magnet trick?

Sometimes if a bike falls hard on either side, the ball gets jammed in the tipover mechanism.   You can use a really strong magnet like a welding angle, rub it along the length of the TSSM/TSM and dislodge it so it works again.   

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Re: Replace TSSM with regular TSM?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday, March 20, 2011. 01:41:11 AM. »
magnet trick?

Sometimes if a bike falls hard on either side, the ball gets jammed in the tipover mechanism.   You can use a really strong magnet like a welding angle, rub it along the length of the TSSM/TSM and dislodge it so it works again.   

i'd be careful with that... since it's referred to as "the magnet trick", i imagine that several people have done it without issue. however, the TSM/TSSM does have computer ROM chip(s) in it that can be damaged and/or data wiped by strong magnets

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday, March 20, 2011. 07:17:49 AM. »
I replaced the TSSM with a TSM on my 04 Fatboy, bike would start and die,  had to have the dealer marry it to the bike

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday, March 20, 2011. 07:32:30 AM. »
I replaced the TSSM with a TSM on my 04 Fatboy, bike would start and die,  had to have the dealer marry it to the bike

I think there's a manual "marriage ceremony" procedure in the service manual that doesn't require DigitalTechnician/dealer.   

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Re: Replace TSSM with regular TSM?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday, March 20, 2011. 08:44:08 AM. »
magnet trick?

Sometimes if a bike falls hard on either side, the ball gets jammed in the tipover mechanism.   You can use a really strong magnet like a welding angle, rub it along the length of the TSSM/TSM and dislodge it so it works again.   

i'd be careful with that... since it's referred to as "the magnet trick", i imagine that several people have done it without issue. however, the TSM/TSSM does have computer ROM chip(s) in it that can be damaged and/or data wiped by strong magnets

True, but if it's already not working you've got nothing at all to lose.   

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« Reply #9 on: Sunday, March 20, 2011. 10:09:35 AM. »
I replaced the TSSM with a TSM on my 04 Fatboy, bike would start and die,  had to have the dealer marry it to the bike

I think there's a manual "marriage ceremony" procedure in the service manual that doesn't require DigitalTechnician/dealer.   
Yep tried that a few times but after I read it enough times it said that if going to TSM from TSSM it would have to be married with the Digitech after that could replace at any time without the DigiTech not a big deal it took them less than 15 min. and charged like 1/2 hr worse part about it was having to trailer my bike  :cry: to the dealer for the first and only time
I believe the above ceremony is to replace a TSSM with a TSSM (I could be wrong wouldn't be the first or last time)

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Re: Replace TSSM with regular TSM?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday, March 20, 2011. 10:40:15 PM. »
magnet trick?

Sometimes if a bike falls hard on either side, the ball gets jammed in the tipover mechanism.   You can use a really strong magnet like a welding angle, rub it along the length of the TSSM/TSM and dislodge it so it works again.   

i'd be careful with that... since it's referred to as "the magnet trick", i imagine that several people have done it without issue. however, the TSM/TSSM does have computer ROM chip(s) in it that can be damaged and/or data wiped by strong magnets

True, but if it's already not working you've got nothing at all to lose.

i thought about that at just about the same time i clicked "Logout"    :up:   still would try something else to dislodge it first tho, like throw it against the wall!  wait.... that's bad too... well.... something!   :teeth:

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday, March 20, 2011. 11:26:49 PM. »
Here's the deal, guys...  and you can do it yourself.  Sorry for the long post, I had submitted this to another part of the forum and just cut and pasted. (pasted...?   :scratch: )   :teeth:

For those of you do-it-yourselfers out there (like me) who don't want to have to make the trip to the dealer every time they want something done, let me relate my experience with removing the TSSM non-pushbutton security system on my '08 Ultra. This may work for other bikes, but I'm not a factory mechanic - so I can only confirm that this will work on '07 and later touring. One of the advantages of doing this yourself is that you can keep your original module (along with a printout of this post) and re-install it at any time without another trip to the dealer, or if the bikes new owner wants a security system.
The factory security system is contained within the Turn Signal Module (TSM), which becomes a Turn Signal Security Module (TSSM) when it is so equipped. If you are disabling the TSSM (do NOT want a security system on your bike) then you have a TSSM installed now, HD p/n 68924-07. This is a roughly cone-shaped device in a black plastic case, mounted vertically under the seat and to the right (starboard) side. Mine was held down with a silver metal clip. The first thing we need to do is replace this item with a NON-security equipped TSM.
So before you go hunting for the TSSM on your bike and removing it, buy the part you're going to replace it with - in this case, HD p/n 68920-07. They are $114 new from Harley, but I found many on eBay and bought one for $24.95 including shipping to my door. You will also need (highly recommended) a 2 amp (or so) motorcycle battery charger to complete the job safely.
Okay - now, we have everything we need to do the job completely. Find the TSSM under the seat of your bike, remove the clip, and lift it out. There will be TWO connectors plugged in to it; remove both. Note that one of the plugs is larger than the other - this is the input, ECM, and turn signal connector - we will use this again. The smaller plug is the output for pager and siren - tape that one up to protect it and set it aside for now. Plug the larger plug into your new TSM, and slide the assembly back into place, carefully storing the loose connector where it won't rattle or take too much wear.
Whoa. That's it?
Nope. If you try to start your bike at this point, it will rumble and die, and you'll be cursing me for life. The bike knows that the security system has been compromised, and is trying to protect you, the owner. Getting it to feel all warm and fuzzy about its new body parts takes another half an hour - which kind of discourages the swap-out-and-quick-getaway-routine by a more unscrupulous rider who just happens to be enamored with your new paint job.
In the next step, we're going to have the bike's ignition (and lighting) on for more than half an hour, so here's the part where we plug in a 2 amp battery charger to keep things live. With the battery charger hooked up, perform the following:

1. Be sure the ignition has been OFF for 15 seconds or more before starting the procedure.
2. Set Run/Off switch to RUN.
3. Turn ignition key on, do not start. Verify that the Check Engine Light and Security Light come on, and wait for them to go out.
4. Attempt a normal start with the Start button. Engine should come to life and then die. The Check Engine Light should light up and stay on.
5. Wait ten seconds. The Security Light now comes on. The ECM has now entered communication mode with the TSM for the next ten minutes. Look at your watch and do something else for the next ten minutes, but don't shut off the bike, let the battery die, flip any switches, or unplug anything electrical. Just polish the fenders or something.
6. In ten minutes, the security light will turn off. Within 15 seconds, turn the ignition key Off and back On. This Off-On motion should be crisp, completed in two seconds or less. The Security Light comes back on, and you have another ten minute wait.
7. When the Security light goes out again, repeat step six.
8. When the Security Light goes out this time, do the Off-On thing, then when the Security Light comes back on again, shut the ignition OFF. Wait at least 15 seconds, during which time you should be (carefully) unplugging your battery charger (unplug from the wall outlet, then from the bike, right...?).
9. With 15 seconds or more gone by, turn your ignition on, confirm the Run button, confirm neutral, and start your bike. You've created a happy marriage between your ECM and the new TSM, and you no longer have to worry about having a key fob or memorizing a security code. Now you can just worry about someone riding off with your bike whilst you're suckin down a brew in the local pub - use the fork lock!
If you're like me, you'll never remember all this two years from now when you're selling your bike, so print this out, take the battery out of your key fob, and put the fob, TSSM, and this paper in a ziplock bag and store it wherever you would go to look for it two years from now. Happy riding!


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Re: Replace TSSM with regular TSM?
« Reply #12 on: Monday, March 21, 2011. 04:44:09 AM. »

I believe the above ceremony is to replace a TSSM with a TSSM (I could be wrong wouldn't be the first or last time)
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See I told you  :wink:
Thanks Nexus I will print that out  :up:

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday, July 10, 2014. 01:18:51 PM. »
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