For those that have been interested in bagger builds with cams like the TW21 and TW26, here's a very good alternative. This cam combines cam characteristics of both the TW21 and TW26 - sort of like having your peanut butter and chocolate together in a Reeses Peanut Butter Cup.Guys running running the (Crane HTC 300-2 - 2001-2006 Bikes) - (1-6000 for 07 newer bikes) let's us know your opinions?
Info copied from another thread: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Live2Ride/messages?msg=24782.1http://forums.about.com/Live2Ride/messages?msg=22606.88Crane HTC-300-2 (06 & earlier bikes) (1-6000 for 07 newer bikes)
Mild Street, Cruising, Touring. Bolt in cam, low-end torque and mid-range HP. Good for heavy bikes. Range: Idle to 5000 rpms.http://www.cranecams.com/?show=newProduct&id=20
13 - Intake Open
33 - Intake Close
42 - Exhaust Open
14 - Exhaust Close
226 - Intake Duration
236 - Exhaust Duration
27 - Overlap
100 - Intake Lobe Center
104 - Exhaust Lobe Center
102 - Lobe Separation Angle
0.505 - Intake Lift
0.505 - Exhaust Lift
What makes the HTC-300-2 such a good bagger cam is that it has an early intake close of 33 degrees ABDC, tight lobe separation angle of 102 and 505" lift.
For more info on cam timing check out: http://forums.about.com/Live2Ride/messages?msg=22584.3
Here are a couple of comments from riders with personal experience with the Crane 300-2 cam.From: Syke Performance - PanHeadRed 2/5/2007 1:04 pm
Baggerdad, it's lunch time and I was take'n a lap around and came upon this post, you know I am not the type to come into these forums and spam, but this thread is one I feel obligated to address.
I recieved the cams from Crane for test purposes a fews months back and felt obligated to put them in. I have been searching for something out of the ordinary for a new package with out going to a custom grind, or what are known as the designer cams. Andrews (IMO) dominates the HD cam market so I purposely stayed away from them. Although Andrews Products are excellent cams, I am looking to offer something a little bit different. I mentioned a while ago that we were working on a complete package hoping to address the noise issues as well as making good street power. The original target was to use the LSR Black Hole, or one of the queiter slip-on's.
Well, at the same time the cams arrived Samson sent a Caliber 2-1 exhaust. So feeling obligated to them as well I thought "might as well get er done". I installed a set of my heads, the Crane 300 cam, and the Samson Caliber 2-1, 95" flat pistons, Stage I A/C, and adjustable push rods. The rest of the engine components are stock, including the 40mm CV, and ignition. Static compression is 9.1, Corrected is 8.6, and cranking pressuer is 175, all very manageable for street use.
We still have not dynoed it with the Samson Caliber 2-1, and the carb is FAR from being tunned, nor is the road testing even started (it's 20 deg F). All I can say about my initial impression is:
!WOW! This thing is a MONSTER! GREAT BAGGER CAM!
There is lots of potential for this set up, we are VERY excited about being able to offer a package with this much acceleration at such a low CR. The carb still pops and farts a lot because it is not jetted properly, so the bike is currently limited to a top speed of 112 MPH. I imagine with the right combination of jetting and exhaust we should be able to put it up a few more. The low end with this current combo will break the tire loose, and snap your head back with a hard twist of the throttle. We have several exhaust systems yet to be evaluated which include the RB Racing Black Hole, RB Racing LSR 2-1, V&H Slip-on's, Rinehart Duals, and a Super Trapp Super Meg 2-1. We will test more as they become available.
We are considering having the cams ground in a gear version because the gear system seems to be very popular, currently we are trying to work out the number required to make them price competitive. (If anyone has considered this grind, but has balked because it's not available in gears, please send an email, we could use all the pre-orders we can get to help get the numbers up)
I have had 2 people besides my self ride this bike, they both came back with the same reply, "That's what I want". One of them was putting together a 10.5:1, 580 lift cam set up. Well..............not any more.
For anyone considering a Bagger cam, you owe it to your self to take a look at the Crane 300. The Samson Caliber seems to be a good compliment, but I am not sure yet how it will stack up against other exhaust systems, my first impression for both of these products in combination with each other is very positive. This is not my first experience with the Samson Caliber 2-1, I ran the previous version they sent with a S&S 570 10.0:1 build. The performance was very good. of Syke Performance is now running a Crane 300-2 in his Road King. He can order the Crane 300-2 in gear drive. Syke Performance has three of gear drive versions installed in customers bikes and all are extremely satisfied with the performance in their touring bike.From: mbangelo Feb-15 1:49 pm
I have been running the 300-2 cams in my 04 rk with stock heads street ported 40mm cv - sporty needle 48 slow 200 main supper trapp 2-1 95 se flat tops, dtt,0 030 comectics , since oct. runs real strong from 2500 to 5500 from a stop you got areal hand full pulls like a freight train no problem cruising at 80-85 have not run in hot weather yet but dont expect problem. ( have surprised a few so called hot rods light to light i l0ve it especially when they see the gray hair) BUTCH This guy "Walt" is running the Crane 1-6000 (for 07 bikes) which is the Crane 300-2 for 06 bikes and earlier.http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98777&highlight=Crane+6000
Just got done installing a Crane 6000 Feb 02, 2007 and rode 50 miles. No dyno but bike runs better than I could have imagined. While in there I installed the Baisley spring and as far as I can tell (and pressure ga indicates) this was a very good idea. Seems either cam or added oil pressure quieted down a lot of noise. Although you can hear the intermittant tap of the valves closing-intake and exhaust are open pretty far at TDC for a small cam- these cams are very quiet while running.
I also replaced the stock headpipes with V&H duals - hoping never again to screw with removing the stock system. These seem to work great with my Supertrapp megaphone slip-ons. I am running a Techlusion TFI fuel controller and see no reson to change with this build. Also a SE A/C with Zippers filter.
The only thing that got me off the bike was the temperature, the weather never went above 36 degree's. The bike pulls harder than anything I have ever ridden with barley cracking the throttle. Never got on the Highway but 45 to 85 pulls on the local backroads is a gas. The 6000 is the '07 version of the Crane 300-2 and very similar to the JM-20 that Joe Minton had built for him by Bartells. I was told Andrews would cut his original cam for a custom charge. They call it a TW-24.
I know the TW-26 is probably similar but I have been told that it is a little noisey at low rpm and wanted to try somethig different. With the limited drive time I can say that power just builds, cant wait to see what I can pull on the hwy. I love the torque this bike now has, exactly what I wanted.
2007 Ultra - 96"
Stock Head Gasket
Stock Headers w/Fuel Moto Slip Ons - http://fuelmotousa.com/rush_fuelmoto
6 Spd Transmission
Thunder Max - Base Map 392AMS COMMENTS ABOUT HTC-300-2
I like several things about it over the TW26. ...especially the 33 deg intake closing... and the extra .015" lift as compared to the TW26 -could be interesting with a set of ported heads. From: headbolt1 4/15/2007 8:46 am
Sorry not a member here but a long time lurker. I am also running the 300 cam, along with Syke heads. It is a great performer in a heavy bike. Currently running 108 torque and 96 HP, the torque is right where it needs to be. I am very happy with this setup and will probably keep it for a long time. I would definatly recommend this build to any with a big bike.
Syke Performance Heads
.040" Cometic Head Gasket
Crane HTC-300-2 Cams
95" SE Cast HC Pistons
SE Stage I A/C
Rinehart True DualsFrom: monkeydav2 4/16/2007 11:15 am
Got my bike back this weekend with the gear drive 300 cams, syke heads, and LSR2-1 pipes. YEEEEEE HAAAWWWWW!!!
All I can say is my bike is dang fast. It isn't tuned yet so it may even get better. Frank put it up on the dyno during the break-in period and babied up to 3800 rpms just to check the air/fuel ratio. The bike was already pulling 98.5 ft-lbs and 71HP without even getting on the throttle hard!
2002 Road King
Syke Performance Heads
(86cc Combustion Chamber Size)
(AV&V Black Tulip Valves - 1.900" Intake / 1.570" Exhaust)
(AV&V Hi-Peformance Valve Springs & Guides)
.030" Cometic Head Gasket
KB 95" Flat Top Pistons
Cylinders bored by AMS
Crane HTC-300-2 Cams
RB Racing LSR 2-1
3.15 Final Gear Ratio