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T-man 625's to ??????
« on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 05:54:30 AM. »
right now I have a 01 RK with 95" static compression 10.5 to 1 , SE HC forged pistons, T-man stage two  heads, T-man 625 cams, 42 mik, DTT ignition, bub 7 -  2 into 1 exhaust, zippers high flow AC.

 Now , I'm not saying I'm going to BUT, If I was going to change cams , what would be recommended ?
 I like low / mid range torque.  I was looking at the woods 400-6 or 408-6 would it be worth the change ?
 or would there be something else better to try.

 I'm very happy now, just wondering if I could be happier.  :nix:

 right now I hit 100tq at 3k and carry it out to 5k, cross a 100hp at about 5350.
 would a cam only change improve this ?
  any input/opinion welcome.  :beer:
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 07:06:16 AM. »
Become a member of the exhaust of the month club.. Maybe some thing works better than what you got..

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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 07:12:24 AM. »
Can you please post the dyno sheet on this?? Thanks Slimm

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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 07:17:37 AM. »
It's in the Dyno section. Search for tman 625 cams and stage two heads
« Last Edit: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 09:00:07 AM. by rking1550 »
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 07:26:32 AM. »
Become a member of the exhaust of the month club.. Maybe some thing works better than what you got..

Max

I thought about the fat cat, oh wait that was last month.
Did I miss something new ?
Bub 7 has been on for two years it'll stay. For now
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 07:50:38 AM. »
Well,, FC would be my last choice on the list.. Look at the baffle on the Bub,, Maybe try a muffler swap... Max
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 02:21:42 PM. »
max... why would the FC be your last choice ? I thought it was suppose to be a good pipe.

 no opinions on the woods stuff ? :beer:
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 04:13:41 PM. »
I had both cams in my 107,  tman has great torque and is quiet, but the woods 400-6 makes torque quicker and hits harder,  the 400-6 is a torque cam  .
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, December 07, 2010. 04:23:28 PM. »
.....so which one are you running at the present time ? ....xzo

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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, December 08, 2010. 01:36:13 PM. »
woods 400-6   with hillside stg 4 heads on the way  My build is a hillside 107, hpi  t.b.w. 54mm 2 piece t.b with 1.800  runners, 5.3 se injectors, tts tuner,woods lifters. 030 offset rocker supports, s&s p rods,  fullsac x pipe with fulsac 2" slip ons.  S.e compensator,

  Scott at hillside  predicts 120/120 easily if not more,  Im hoping.  I did really like the tman 625's  it just the 400-6  hits harder
« Last Edit: Wednesday, December 08, 2010. 01:41:40 PM. by timtoolman »
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, December 08, 2010. 05:51:14 PM. »
Toolman -What will compression be set at?  What compression do those cams like?
thanks
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, December 08, 2010. 06:21:03 PM. »
toolman....how noisy were the woods cams ? and did you run these cams in any thing other than the 107 ?  :beer:
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 03:44:23 AM. »
wood cams are nosier  than others  as we all know because of the faster ramp speeds,  thats why they "hit" quicker and make torque,,  To make them quieter  u have to use good lifers and prods, not s.e. ones, and correct adjustment steps,  I use s&s pushrods and woods lifters, i use a 030 offset rocker supports, and roller rocker to ensure correct geometry,  make sure rocker arms aren't hitting the valve retainer, and clearance the springs and rocker covers, i also use the usual baisley  spring and as per moco owners manual 50 or 60 wt oil,  very  quiet engine,    i used a woods tw 7h cam in the past,  i had it quiet as stock, just basic mechanical   craftsman steps.  i havent used them in another engine yet, but im sure they would run just fine,  I personally would'nt use them in a engine smaller than a 96 though
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #13 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 06:18:11 AM. »
Supertrap Supermeg tuned. Done, no cam swap. You got what you bought and that is power, little toward the right and impressive for a 95". Now trying to turn it into a torquer will be a challenge but the pipe will help a lot.
The compression is too high to short the cam timing and the Wood cams would not offer any significant change even the 400 which is torque king, assuming the heads are properly set up to work right with the .650 lift. this used to be the best you could do to help guys with HTCC CNC builds. They still would HP higher than torque.

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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 07:35:43 AM. »
woods 400-6   with hillside stg 4 heads on the way  My build is a hillside 107, hpi  t.b.w. 54mm 2 piece t.b with 1.800  runners, 5.3 se injectors, tts tuner,woods lifters. 030 offset rocker supports, s&s p rods,  fullsac x pipe with fulsac 2" slip ons.  S.e compensator,

  Scott at hillside  predicts 120/120 easily if not more,  Im hoping.  I did really like the tman 625's  it just the 400-6  hits harder

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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #15 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 07:41:01 AM. »
Thats good to hear Scott,  I hope we Can do the same numbers!!!!  I have faith in you! :up: :up: :up:
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #16 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 07:43:25 AM. »
Bennen  I think Hilllside is setting the comp on this combo at 10.5  comp
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 07:56:03 AM. »
Rking 
 I do agree with don (deweysheads),  I would keep those cams if you already have them in,  but iIdo remember that someone told me the 625's like air, i had a 45 mik on my 03 95 engine with a set of woods 400g a few years ago,with htcc set up, i do know the piston squish is important on this setup also,  i think mine was around 70 thou,  it was changed to around 35  thou, if i remember correctly,  pipe is critical on this.


Have you thought about a primary gear reduction kit??? with this?  or a pulley change
personally i like the D&D  f/c over supertrapp,

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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #18 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 08:15:40 AM. »
His squish is at .040" and his gear ratio is 3.37.
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #19 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 08:38:12 AM. »
wel i guess he has that covered,  ok its time for more cubes!!!!!  or send heads back to tman for stg 3 or 4 set up  or both.!  with matching intake ports with the carb intake,  but then that makes hp not so much more torque
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #20 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 09:03:10 AM. »
That is a pretty stout 95" considering it is equipped with a ~240° cam.
The head / port has to be correct for engine size, RPM and VE. Bigger heads would not assist him to achieve the goal in this case.

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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #21 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 09:56:33 AM. »
Tattoo isn't the squish .030 ? I thought we used the .030 HG.

Dewey the heads are set up to take .650 lift or maybe a little more and your right it is pretty stout 95".

Tattoo  and T-man both suggested this combo and I got exactly what I asked for. I wanted 100tq by 3k and hit 100 hp around 5 to 5.5k . and still pull to red line. So I have no reason to bitch, and I'm not. But sometimes I just can't help looking for a little more. lol

dewey is even a pipe change worth it at this point ? would it get me  the 100 tq at 2.5k ? would my peak numbers go up ? for 5 or 6 tq and hp in the right places I would do it,  other than that it's probably like a cam change , too much cost too little gain. sell the old pipe and it wouldn't cost that much. but still maybe not worth it with the cost of a new tune.

timtoolman  how did the 400g do in the 95 " is there a dyno sheet around for it ? And I have thought about more cubes.

thanks for all the input/opinions   :beer: :beer:
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #22 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 10:12:46 AM. »
Sorry you are  correct I did use the .030" HG on your build.
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 01:28:38 PM. »
I understand,  im always looking for a little more, I them find it and then want a little more again, then its time for more cubes,  that's where your probably at right now,  Then its a new game to find a little more  with more cubes,  then more, then more, :banghead: cantstop,  im already thinking of a 117 cuin sickness recovery 12 step porogram
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Re: T-man 625's to ??????
« Reply #24 on: Thursday, December 09, 2010. 02:09:53 PM. »
You should really talk to Tman himself, he used Woods cams for years and would have the "best" answer.
I had a little less airflow heads but high velocity and more compression and I made 115/110 hit 100 at 2,500 with a FatCat and CV51 carb and a 400g
It was so noisy guys were asking me what was wrong. I went another route