From: ederdelyi Sent: 7/28/2005 2:56 PM Message 6 of 14 in DiscussionAll of you guys are missing the fact he has an FXDXT ... same susupension as the FXDX which is a fully adjustable cartridge fork to start with ... miles ahead of *anything* else in the HD line except for the now discontinued Sportster "S" model which also had the fully adjustable cartridge forks. The FXDXT is just a mite different than yer average "UltraBarge" to start with.
That said, DynaBagger needs to be sure that Race Tech understands he has an FXDXT and not a standard FXD or a '99 FXDX which did not have the adjustable cartridge forks. It will most likely require calculating a custom spring and if they have one pre-made that is close to the required spring rate that is most likely what they will suggest. As to the Gold Valve kit, it is NOT an emulator for his forks, it is a valving enhancement. He doesn't need a cartridge emulator
, he already *has* cartridge forks. The Gold Valve kit is worth the money and will greatly improve the already good forks you poresently have.
Rather than going the Race Tech route on my FXDX, I had Lindemann Engineering do custom valving and springs for my FXDX, and installed a set of custom Works Performance Pro Racer rear shocks. My suspension is now almost the equal of the Ohlins shocks on my Duc 996, but at a lot less money.
You'll be happy with the RaceTech stuff, just make sure they understand exactly
which bike you have, the FXDX and FXDXT are often thought of as just an FXD with a blacked out motor ... not true. From: AustinFXDWG Sent: 7/28/2005 3:37 PM Message 7 of 14 in Discussion
The Gold Valve emulators emulate a cartridge fork on compression only. In your bike, you already have real cartridges which function on both compression and rebound. You will gain nothing by going to the goldvalves, though their springs are good too and would help. On a bike with damper rod forks, it's a whole new ballgame and they make a world of difference. But, not on your bike which arleady has real cartridges. The cartridges are replaceable when they wear out too. BillS From: DynaBagger Sent: 7/28/2005 3:40 PM Message 8 of 14 in Discussion
Classic, Deathwish, Ed
Your input is appreciated and says much for the quality of the Race Tech suspensions. Ed hit it bang on, this bike is already a cartridge fork.
I was out today talking with a suspension expert working in a sport bike dealrship. He also swears by the Race Tech stuff but he charges $225 for the install of the valving and springs.
I usually do my own work up to a point but would not want to screw this up. I've rebuilt damping rod forks a few times but taking apart the cartridge, is something even the HD dealers or indy's here have never done. The race tech video that comes with the gold valve is supposed to show the installation and set up but if I get stuck then it's $225 extra to have the job done right. So, that being said, if they really are that much better then stock, maybe I can splurge. But I would like to know what level of mechanical compitence and special tools one needs to do the job thereselves? Seems to me the spring compression tool may be one that is needed. Thanks,
DynaBagger From: ederdelyi Sent: 7/28/2005 3:48 PM Message 9 of 14 in Discussion
You are correct about the Emulators, they are for damper rod forks. RaceTech also has Gold Valve kits for cartridge forks, which is what is being recommended to DynaBagger.
If you have access to a suspension expert who has done this work before ... use him. It's worth the money. However, if you truly want to do it yourself, I can understand that as well. The spring compression tool and a fork oil level tool are the most important ones to have, IMO. The video is good, but it doesn't include the experience of a good suspension tech who has done lots of 'em before. Guys like that usually have a few "tricks" of their own that you can't get from a video or install sheet! Your choice, do what you feel comfortable with. From: ClassicRider2002 Sent: 7/28/2005 4:41 PM Message 10 of 14 in Discussion
thanks guys for the correction....but I am confused....lol....I don't know what an FXDX or an FXDXT is without looking it up...lol....since I don't have either of those bikes.....
I always appreciate Ed's input....
Appologize if I led anyone down the wrong path.....
"Classic" From: ederdelyi Sent: 7/28/2005 5:06 PM Message 11 of 14 in Discussion
No problemo. And don't feel bad, *many* in the HD world have no clue as to what an FXDX or FXDXT is or what those bikes are about. You have an FXR2, I believe, so imagine a Dyna with the same type of riding style/mindset in mind and you've got the right idea for an FXDX. Add softbags and a fork mounted fairing/windhield and you have the FXDXT.
Your experiences with the RaceTech stuff for your bike are, I'm sure, accurate and reflect your satisfaction with their products for your application ... can't get a better recommendation than that. Quality suspension is quality suspension. For those who know the difference it matters. From: AustinFXDWG Sent: 7/29/2005 6:24 AM Message 12 of 14 in Discussion
Ed.....Thanks for the clarification and education. I did not know about the valves for cartridge forks. One thing you would gain adding the valves to the cartridges is the added adjustability. but the complexity of the teardown needed to make an adjustment is such that you would not want to do it often, it at all. Anyone have experience with their Rear shocks, the "Caddies" that also use the gold valves inside? BillS From: po2gyn2 Sent: 7/29/2005 7:08 AM Message 13 of 14 in Discussion
Ed what if anything can be done to the forks on my 04 R Glide. had problem with forks bottoming out dealer pulled left fork leg drained it reinstalled it with morethan specified oil now it's way to firm. is there a better way to fix this thanks PO2 From: ederdelyi Sent: 7/29/2005 7:19 AM Message 14 of 14 in Discussion
The beauty of using the Gold Valve setup with a set of adjustable
cartridge forks such as those found on the FXDX/FXDXT is that you still have the external adjustment features of the original fork, but is now centered around the new valving rates of the Gold Valves. So, the compression and rebound adjustments are settable by the "clickers" just as before, but with enhanced valving characteristics. On an FXDX/FXDXT you can adjust rebound, compression, and pre-load just like you can on most modern sport bikes/high performance sport touring bikes.
The Caddies system is nice, but is does require dis-assembly of the shock to change settings. The stock FXDX/FXDXT rear shocks are adjustable for rebound, but are not re-buildable, so you can't do Gold Valves with those. I like externally adjustable shocks so I opted to go with Works Performance Pro Racer shocks which allow me to adjust rebound, compression, pre-load, and ride height.
For the "set it and forget it" crowd, a shock like the Caddies or one of the other non adjustable shocks is more likely the best choice. All nonadjustable shocks/forks will be a "best fit" compromise for spring rate and damper valving ... almost any good aftermarket shock will be an improvement over the OEM ... and that's not just HD, applies to almost any vehicle. Exceptions would be some newer HiPo cars and bikes that come with superb suspension right out of the box.