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After calling & discussing cams with Tman himself, the reason that we have Tman cams to begin with was NOISE...complaints from his customers. That's why he started with his own grinds.I'm running the Tman 625's, nice sticks, make a little bit of noise nothing that is hard to stand, but the performance is awesome.Pull up the cam compare calculator on the big boyz site & look at how similar the Tman cams are to the Woods...